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or are you writing yourself out, chuck? no need to stretch. and by the way eew to a borrowed commode! cheers, Jess BTW can't decrypt KWRAOU/TKO/TKPWUD/WERBG/FPLT not at all good with puzzles, cryptology of almost any form, just lose interest, even crossword puzzles and scrabble, words alone have no interest, only combined do they create. have you checked out Mark's (conect) "On Type"? There is a puzzle in that I can't solve, beyond the obvious final stanza acrostic.